I decided to get some mileage out of this. A post that I wrote sometime back on my personal blog, taking a quote from Heinlein.
http://sunilgoswami.blogspot.com/2007/06/belief-me-not.html
Sunday, 16 December 2007
Thursday, 6 December 2007
A story from Heinlein
This is a story from one of Heinlein's speeches. With his views.
"I said that "Patriotism" is a way of saying "Women and children first." And that no one can force a man to feel this way. Instead he must embrace it freely. I want to tell about one such man. He wore no uniform and no one knows his name, or where he came from; all we know is what he did.
In my home town sixty years ago when I was a child, my mother and father used to take me and my brothers and sisters out to Swope Park on Sunday afternoons. It was a wonderful place for kids, with picnic grounds and lakes and a zoo. But a railroad line cut straight through it.
One Sunday afternoon a young married couple were crossing these tracks. She apparently did not watch her step, for she managed to catch her foot in the frog of a switch to a siding and could not pull it free. Her husband stopped to help her.
But try as they might they could not get her foot loose. While they were working at it, a tramp showed up, walking the ties. He joined the husband in trying to pull the young woman's foot loose. No luck —
Out of sight around the curve a train whistled. Perhaps there would have been time to run and flag it down, perhaps not. In any case both men went right ahead trying to pull her free... and the train hit them.
The wife was killed, the husband was mortally injured and died later, the tramp was killed — and testimony showed that neither man made the slightest effort to save himself.
The husband's behavior was heroic... but what we expect of a husband toward his wife: his right, and his proud privilege, to die for his woman. But what of this nameless stranger? Up to the very last second he could have jumped clear. He did not. He was still trying to save this woman he had never seen before in his life, right up to the very instant the train killed him. And that's all we'll ever know about him.
This is how a man dies.
This is how a man... lives! "
"I said that "Patriotism" is a way of saying "Women and children first." And that no one can force a man to feel this way. Instead he must embrace it freely. I want to tell about one such man. He wore no uniform and no one knows his name, or where he came from; all we know is what he did.
In my home town sixty years ago when I was a child, my mother and father used to take me and my brothers and sisters out to Swope Park on Sunday afternoons. It was a wonderful place for kids, with picnic grounds and lakes and a zoo. But a railroad line cut straight through it.
One Sunday afternoon a young married couple were crossing these tracks. She apparently did not watch her step, for she managed to catch her foot in the frog of a switch to a siding and could not pull it free. Her husband stopped to help her.
But try as they might they could not get her foot loose. While they were working at it, a tramp showed up, walking the ties. He joined the husband in trying to pull the young woman's foot loose. No luck —
Out of sight around the curve a train whistled. Perhaps there would have been time to run and flag it down, perhaps not. In any case both men went right ahead trying to pull her free... and the train hit them.
The wife was killed, the husband was mortally injured and died later, the tramp was killed — and testimony showed that neither man made the slightest effort to save himself.
The husband's behavior was heroic... but what we expect of a husband toward his wife: his right, and his proud privilege, to die for his woman. But what of this nameless stranger? Up to the very last second he could have jumped clear. He did not. He was still trying to save this woman he had never seen before in his life, right up to the very instant the train killed him. And that's all we'll ever know about him.
This is how a man dies.
This is how a man... lives! "
Heinlein - the free thinker (and speaker)
I have read many books of Heinlein by now, and more than his stories I am impressed by his thoughts, his radical viewpoint on things. But still, time and again, I read something he said, (in a story or otherwise) and he still blows me away with his outspoken, controversial yet logical argument. Case in point -
"I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say: Let the damned thing go down the drain!"
- Guest of Honor Speech at the 29th World Science Fiction Convention, Seattle, WA (1961)
"I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say: Let the damned thing go down the drain!"
- Guest of Honor Speech at the 29th World Science Fiction Convention, Seattle, WA (1961)
Sunday, 25 November 2007
The Door Into Summer - the scene I loved
Warning: This post talks about the plot of Heinlein's book "The Door into Summer" in some detail, so if you have not yet read that book and want to avoid spoiling the suspense, don't read this post before you read the book itself.
What can one do when with faced with a single emotion; one strong, focused, simple emotion of love. When a girl says "I am yours" surrendering her all to you in a simple, completely non-reversible manner, you have to take notice and accept it as the ultimate gift which can be incredibly exciting and yet ultimately soothing.
I mentioned while reviewing "The Door Into Summer" that there was one scene which I planned to read again immediately even though I had just finished the book. That scene was where our hero Dan Davis goes back in time and leaves his stock with his corrupt business partner's young daughter Ricky. Ricky maybe young, she's only eleven now, but she and Dan share a special relationship of mutual respect and unassuming friendship. Also, they both love Dan's cat Pete.
In this scene, as Dan visits her in her scout camp and tries to tell her what to do, hampered by his inability to explain the real reasons why he was going away for 30 years, taking the Cold Sleep, the situations grows pensive as Ricky refuses to accept Dan's gift of his stock. He tries to explain to her and make her see reason, but all she is focused on is that he is leaving her and she would never see him or Pete again.
Then Dan tells her that they can meet again, if, when Ricky turns 21, she uses the money piled up from the stock to take cold sleep herself to catch up with Dan. She likes that idea. And then, this 11 year old girl asks our adult hero if he would marry her if she takes the cold sleep. He agrees immediately and willingly, and gives her his old class ring as a sign of betrothal.
I am moved by this scene because under the mundane and quite business-like activities there is an undercurrent of Dan's concern for Ricky, his urgent, frantic, in places risky activities, all motivated by his strong desire to take care of her, secure her future against the tragedies he knows will befall her. On the other hand, there is the rigid, rock-like determination of Ricky to completely ignore all financial and business aspects and focus only on Dan and how she can be with him!
I love this scene and thought I should share it with you! :)
What can one do when with faced with a single emotion; one strong, focused, simple emotion of love. When a girl says "I am yours" surrendering her all to you in a simple, completely non-reversible manner, you have to take notice and accept it as the ultimate gift which can be incredibly exciting and yet ultimately soothing.
I mentioned while reviewing "The Door Into Summer" that there was one scene which I planned to read again immediately even though I had just finished the book. That scene was where our hero Dan Davis goes back in time and leaves his stock with his corrupt business partner's young daughter Ricky. Ricky maybe young, she's only eleven now, but she and Dan share a special relationship of mutual respect and unassuming friendship. Also, they both love Dan's cat Pete.
In this scene, as Dan visits her in her scout camp and tries to tell her what to do, hampered by his inability to explain the real reasons why he was going away for 30 years, taking the Cold Sleep, the situations grows pensive as Ricky refuses to accept Dan's gift of his stock. He tries to explain to her and make her see reason, but all she is focused on is that he is leaving her and she would never see him or Pete again.
Then Dan tells her that they can meet again, if, when Ricky turns 21, she uses the money piled up from the stock to take cold sleep herself to catch up with Dan. She likes that idea. And then, this 11 year old girl asks our adult hero if he would marry her if she takes the cold sleep. He agrees immediately and willingly, and gives her his old class ring as a sign of betrothal.
I am moved by this scene because under the mundane and quite business-like activities there is an undercurrent of Dan's concern for Ricky, his urgent, frantic, in places risky activities, all motivated by his strong desire to take care of her, secure her future against the tragedies he knows will befall her. On the other hand, there is the rigid, rock-like determination of Ricky to completely ignore all financial and business aspects and focus only on Dan and how she can be with him!
I love this scene and thought I should share it with you! :)
Friday, 23 November 2007
Strangers in a strange world
No, I know that's not the correct title of the R.A. Heinlein bestseller. In "Stranger in a Strange Land", he describes how Valentine Michael Smith, who was raised by Martians, struggles with understanding and adapting to humans, who in turn do everything they can to suppress him. There are many different levels to the story, but the one that primarily interests me is the one which tells the tale of how a very smart man with powers that go way beyond what we deem "natural", unique but very wise viewpoints and a strong leaning towards non violent solutions to differences of interests is treated by society. The book strongly suggests the main character is in fact some sort of Messiah, or the archangel Michael. He even dies by being brutally murdered by the masses who fear him, and returns after that.
It made me think. What, if Jesus Christ would indeed return to earth, just like millions of Christians believe he will? Mind you, my view on the person of Christ is not that of the Christian churches. To me, he was an adept, someone with great knowledge and highly evolved, divine yes but only as divine as we all are, if only we hadn't forgotten the origin of our spiritual selves. A living Buddha if you like, similar to, for instance, the Dalai Lama. Try picturing the deeds Christ did according to the bible, done here and now, in our 21st century western society. I'm pretty sure he would be called a fraud, a freak, and he would most likely end up in a mental hospital where they would drug him into giving up those silly ideas. Son of God.. sure dear, now take your pills and go to sleep.
In "Stranger in a Strange Land", Valentine Michael Smith at some point works as a magician in a traveling circus, doing levitations and teleportations in front of an audience. This fails miserably, because what he does is absolutely real, and people don't want real, they expect a magician to deceive them and can't stand the idea there is no trick behind it all. Have you ever seen Criss Angel at work? If not, you should. Here's a link to one of his videos, there are many more on YouTube. Criss is a controversial person to put it mildly. He reminds me of the vampire Lestat in "Queen of the Damned" in many ways. The media are a powerful tool to get a message, or a certain energy, across to millions of people. But here too, the ones wanting to be deceived turn away in horror when they realize what they see is real.
And there you have it, the paradox of religion, and most likely of humanity as a whole, apart from minor exceptions. Faith often only goes as far as believing things that haven't been proven. The divine needs to stay at a safe distance, so we can worship it from afar and base our hopes upon it. The thought that is in fact all around and even inside us as an integral part of our core being, is too frightening for us to accept. Perhaps because with accepting the concept that in fact we are God, comes the notion that we need to take responsibility for our actions and those of the people around us, and that no one will grant us absolution in case we mess things up. Another idea Heinlein has voiced in many of his books.
Good thing the book is pure fiction and so none of it is real ;).
It made me think. What, if Jesus Christ would indeed return to earth, just like millions of Christians believe he will? Mind you, my view on the person of Christ is not that of the Christian churches. To me, he was an adept, someone with great knowledge and highly evolved, divine yes but only as divine as we all are, if only we hadn't forgotten the origin of our spiritual selves. A living Buddha if you like, similar to, for instance, the Dalai Lama. Try picturing the deeds Christ did according to the bible, done here and now, in our 21st century western society. I'm pretty sure he would be called a fraud, a freak, and he would most likely end up in a mental hospital where they would drug him into giving up those silly ideas. Son of God.. sure dear, now take your pills and go to sleep.
In "Stranger in a Strange Land", Valentine Michael Smith at some point works as a magician in a traveling circus, doing levitations and teleportations in front of an audience. This fails miserably, because what he does is absolutely real, and people don't want real, they expect a magician to deceive them and can't stand the idea there is no trick behind it all. Have you ever seen Criss Angel at work? If not, you should. Here's a link to one of his videos, there are many more on YouTube. Criss is a controversial person to put it mildly. He reminds me of the vampire Lestat in "Queen of the Damned" in many ways. The media are a powerful tool to get a message, or a certain energy, across to millions of people. But here too, the ones wanting to be deceived turn away in horror when they realize what they see is real.
And there you have it, the paradox of religion, and most likely of humanity as a whole, apart from minor exceptions. Faith often only goes as far as believing things that haven't been proven. The divine needs to stay at a safe distance, so we can worship it from afar and base our hopes upon it. The thought that
Good thing the book is pure fiction and so none of it is real ;).
Tuesday, 20 November 2007
Book Review - The Door Into Summer
Oh, sometimes I just hate Heinlein. Here I am, my weekend, so many things to do, oh so many, and yet, I am just sitting there, my laptop ignored, TV switched off, laundry done and ignored in the machine...and why? Because I am reading "Door into Summer". He has written it with a style that makes it really really hard to put it down. So, I ended up going to bed at 1:30 on Sunday and then though I needed sleep badly, I couldn't go to bed till almost 0100 on Monday night, after I finished the damn thing.
Heinlein's titles are just relevant enough to keep him out of court for using irrelevant titles otherwise it's hard to remember the story of a book just by its title if you have read many of his books. Which both I and Kitten claim to have done. :-) Door Into Summer is not too different. But the way he connects it is quite cute, undeniably cute!
The Hero Dan Davis lives in a house with 11 doors, and his cat Pete doesn't like winter and snow. So when it's winter outside one door, Pete insists on Dan opening every door, hoping that at least one of them will lead into summer and not into the wet, white, squishy stuff. Throughout the story Heinlein likens Door into Summer to a way to achieve happiness.
The plot is simple - Dan's fiancee and partner cheat him and ruin him, his life loses meaning, and he decides to take a Long Sleep, hyperthermia if you will, freezing himself, slowing his body down so he can get away from them, 30 years in the future. Don't think this is a Rip Van vinkle rip-off. Sure, there is some of that, the new, unfamiliar times, the new gizmos, the new technology, but that's not the whole plot. When Dan, who I forgot to mention, is an engineer, wakes up in the 21st Century, year 2000, he finds there are a few inventions quite like his own, designed in his unique style and when he finds out the name of the inventor it shocks his socks off.
So, our hero finds a way to travel back in time, back to 1970, to find out what the heck is this all about. Plus, there's a romantic angle in the story, a unique type of angle, Dan is looking for a particular girl from his past, in 2000 and then in 1970, so the chase continues at a heart-quickening rate....Heinlein is the master of time-travel paradoxes and he has used them lavishly. Time-travel paradoxes, causal loops, action, emotion, drama, romance, this book has got it all. There's one particular scene that I am going to read again, even though I just finished reading this book.
From the cover and the years used in the story it seems like RAH wrote it long time back, maybe at the start of his career. That shows that he was always a genius!
So my advice to you is STAY AWAY from this book, it's evil, it's like a drug! DON'T read it! Don't even start!
Wednesday, 7 November 2007
Where did Home go?
Other than his so many wonderful novels, Heinlein has done quite a lot of short stories. He has a good understanding of how long a story should be to exploit the theme properly. I have read quite a few of his stories, (never deliberately, I prefer novels more, but never can tell from the title), and liked almost all of them. But the problem is I can't remember their names.
So there is this couple who lives in the Moon, (always say "in" the Moon, never "on" the Moon, ok?) and they decide to come back to Earth, roots and all you know? They uproot themselves, leave their flat and go to Earth. And there they meet all these people, social, polite, inquisitive...right from the start their conversation starts to bother our Loony couple. For example, the word "loony" makes them uncomfortable the way Earth people use it. The Earthlings have their own set ideas about the Loonies that they can't shake no matter how many anecdotes our central couple tells.
Slowly, other things start bothering them, the gravity, the pollution, small things that get on your nerves as they persist. Finally they decide to go back...
That reminds me of my own travels to India. People have a certain image in mind, a stereotype, certain expectations, certain lame remarks - assumptions based on media, prejudices based on nothing. At times it irks me, at times it annoys me, at times (when I am well-fed and relaxed) I am able to bear them with equanimity, at times I lash out.
One acquaintance actually asked me where I liked living better - India or US. And when I said "US", he was visibly offended and there started the "advice" about how home is always home and all the rest of it...I usually have little patience for such people so that ended quite shortly.
Just like our Loony couple, I know of people who migrated to some other country, came back, tried to live there and left to go back. I am from India so I know of mostly Indians who faced this situation. I am sure there must be others.
What makes them go back? It's their home they are coming back to and yet, they can't live there! They try, they do stick it out for a year or two but then they finally face up to the inevitable - "home" has moved! I can't blame them. On the other hand, I can't blame the natives either, they live there, they live by their own standards, rules, values. So, ultimately, a person or persons will settle happily where they find likeminded people, be it the East, the West or the Moon!
So there is this couple who lives in the Moon, (always say "in" the Moon, never "on" the Moon, ok?) and they decide to come back to Earth, roots and all you know? They uproot themselves, leave their flat and go to Earth. And there they meet all these people, social, polite, inquisitive...right from the start their conversation starts to bother our Loony couple. For example, the word "loony" makes them uncomfortable the way Earth people use it. The Earthlings have their own set ideas about the Loonies that they can't shake no matter how many anecdotes our central couple tells.
Slowly, other things start bothering them, the gravity, the pollution, small things that get on your nerves as they persist. Finally they decide to go back...
That reminds me of my own travels to India. People have a certain image in mind, a stereotype, certain expectations, certain lame remarks - assumptions based on media, prejudices based on nothing. At times it irks me, at times it annoys me, at times (when I am well-fed and relaxed) I am able to bear them with equanimity, at times I lash out.
One acquaintance actually asked me where I liked living better - India or US. And when I said "US", he was visibly offended and there started the "advice" about how home is always home and all the rest of it...I usually have little patience for such people so that ended quite shortly.
Just like our Loony couple, I know of people who migrated to some other country, came back, tried to live there and left to go back. I am from India so I know of mostly Indians who faced this situation. I am sure there must be others.
What makes them go back? It's their home they are coming back to and yet, they can't live there! They try, they do stick it out for a year or two but then they finally face up to the inevitable - "home" has moved! I can't blame them. On the other hand, I can't blame the natives either, they live there, they live by their own standards, rules, values. So, ultimately, a person or persons will settle happily where they find likeminded people, be it the East, the West or the Moon!
Saturday, 3 November 2007
The cast of characters - Moon is a Harsh Mistress
I have a lot of things to talk about in Heinlein's books but I want to start my posting with my most favorite of all Heinlein books - Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
It's a fantastic story of a revolution that people who live in the Moon launch for their freedom and although there is a hero and a heroine, there are quite a few other characters in the story. Heinlein has the knack to create the perfect balance in giving the limelight to his characters. Well, he has in this particular story. Even though the hero, Mannie, is telling the story in first person narrative, he is not the most important person in the story. Sure he has a great role, lots and lots of footage, but the other people around him get their fair share, even when he is wrong and they are right. They all bring some quality to the story, or to the revolution, it could be Professor de la Paz with his vast experience of life, or the heroine Wyoming Knott who adds her feminine instinct, her common sense, her people skills to the cause, they all contribute towards a common goal.
Now, think about life. Who is the most important person here? Why, you, of course! You are the superhero (or superheroine, I am NOT going to say superperson) of your own story. But, and this is the point I want to stress, you simply cannot carry the whole story by yourself no matter what super powers you possess. Therefore, you must pay attention to those around you, the characters that add to the story, the people who support you, help you, motivate you, provide you with a shoulder to cry on, or a shoulder to shoot from as the need may be. If you want the story of your life to be a bestseller you need to give them the due attention, recognize them for what they are, acknowledge their support and don't be ashamed of asking for help when you need it.
An author writes many books, but the masterpiece of your life will be written once and only once, so make sure you choose the right characters, and develop the story in a way that you, as its author, will be proud of.
It's a fantastic story of a revolution that people who live in the Moon launch for their freedom and although there is a hero and a heroine, there are quite a few other characters in the story. Heinlein has the knack to create the perfect balance in giving the limelight to his characters. Well, he has in this particular story. Even though the hero, Mannie, is telling the story in first person narrative, he is not the most important person in the story. Sure he has a great role, lots and lots of footage, but the other people around him get their fair share, even when he is wrong and they are right. They all bring some quality to the story, or to the revolution, it could be Professor de la Paz with his vast experience of life, or the heroine Wyoming Knott who adds her feminine instinct, her common sense, her people skills to the cause, they all contribute towards a common goal.
Now, think about life. Who is the most important person here? Why, you, of course! You are the superhero (or superheroine, I am NOT going to say superperson) of your own story. But, and this is the point I want to stress, you simply cannot carry the whole story by yourself no matter what super powers you possess. Therefore, you must pay attention to those around you, the characters that add to the story, the people who support you, help you, motivate you, provide you with a shoulder to cry on, or a shoulder to shoot from as the need may be. If you want the story of your life to be a bestseller you need to give them the due attention, recognize them for what they are, acknowledge their support and don't be ashamed of asking for help when you need it.
An author writes many books, but the masterpiece of your life will be written once and only once, so make sure you choose the right characters, and develop the story in a way that you, as its author, will be proud of.
Friday, 2 November 2007
On Love and jealousy
Let me start my writing here by picking a subject everyone can relate to because it plays such an important role in everybody's life: love. And this blog being all about Heinlein, let's take a definition by Heinlein himself:
"Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy."
Jealousy a disease? So how come almost everybody suffers from this disease? Heinlein has an answer to that question as well:
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
And so in fact, the disease mankind suffers from, is insecurity. And suffering is what we do. Jealousy is not a part of love, it is the opposite of love. By acting jealous what we are really doing is saying: "I don't want you to do what makes you happy, because I am afraid I will get hurt.". Thus limiting someone we claim to love in exploring everything they want to explore. Not out of love, but out of fear. Fear of our partner leaving us or spending less time with us, primarily. Jealousy is a very self centered emotion.
Love on the other hand is a two way street. Note how Heinlein doesn't say that love means putting the other person's happiness first. There needs to be a balance. Only if the other person is happy, we can be happy too. And if all is well, the same goes vice versa. If both (or more, because Heinlein wasn't exactly a big fan of monogamous relationships) partners are happy because they can fully be themselves, explore what they want to explore and live their life to the max without fear for repercussions from their partner(s), love will bloom almost automatically.
And what if a partner does indeed leave us for another? Well, obviously breaking up is never a fun thing. But I honestly don't believe we can prevent that from happening by being jealous. Plus: if we are free to be who we are and live our life the way we want to live it, we will be secure, balanced people, not depending on someone else for our personal happiness. People like that are much more likely to quickly overcome the less pleasant things in life than the insecure, fearful, dependent type. They make much better partners too.
"Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy."
Jealousy a disease? So how come almost everybody suffers from this disease? Heinlein has an answer to that question as well:
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
And so in fact, the disease mankind suffers from, is insecurity. And suffering is what we do. Jealousy is not a part of love, it is the opposite of love. By acting jealous what we are really doing is saying: "I don't want you to do what makes you happy, because I am afraid I will get hurt.". Thus limiting someone we claim to love in exploring everything they want to explore. Not out of love, but out of fear. Fear of our partner leaving us or spending less time with us, primarily. Jealousy is a very self centered emotion.
Love on the other hand is a two way street. Note how Heinlein doesn't say that love means putting the other person's happiness first. There needs to be a balance. Only if the other person is happy, we can be happy too. And if all is well, the same goes vice versa. If both (or more, because Heinlein wasn't exactly a big fan of monogamous relationships) partners are happy because they can fully be themselves, explore what they want to explore and live their life to the max without fear for repercussions from their partner(s), love will bloom almost automatically.
And what if a partner does indeed leave us for another? Well, obviously breaking up is never a fun thing. But I honestly don't believe we can prevent that from happening by being jealous. Plus: if we are free to be who we are and live our life the way we want to live it, we will be secure, balanced people, not depending on someone else for our personal happiness. People like that are much more likely to quickly overcome the less pleasant things in life than the insecure, fearful, dependent type. They make much better partners too.
Thursday, 1 November 2007
The more the merrier!
Hmmm, Heinlein. I think I could write an entire book about his ideas and the way he worded them. Thank you Sunny for a great idea and letting me be a part of it! This may become interesting and at times we may even get into heavy discussions, but I like those. After all, as Heinlein himself so rightly put it: I never learned from a man who agreed with me.
For now I'm calling it a night though. Read you soon, or vice versa,
Kitten
(who buried Melody and now faces the world under her own name)
For now I'm calling it a night though. Read you soon, or vice versa,
Kitten
(who buried Melody and now faces the world under her own name)
By Heinlein fans for Heinlein fans
Well, we think that that Robert A. Heinlein was the greatest science fiction writer ever. We like to read about him and talk about him, so why not blog about him? This will be a group blog, with Sunil and Melody to kick it off, other reader-slash-writers may join later!
Read on, comment, discuss things with us, the more, the merrier. Funny enough, that was Heinlein's philosophy too! :-)
Read on, comment, discuss things with us, the more, the merrier. Funny enough, that was Heinlein's philosophy too! :-)
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